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| eoffg |
Posted on December 07 2006 07:37 AM
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Hi Angelene ,
You raise some interesting questions in your post?
With Austistic Spectrum, 2 common features are a difficulty with Spatial thinking and also what is termed; Inference.
Where AS people are very Literal thinkers, who think in Black and White rather than Shades of Grey.
Though, I'm also considering Matthews difficulty with recognising the box 'being at an angle'. With another common difficulty associated with AS.
That of not recognising 'facial expressions' or 'body language'. Which often has to be learnt, how to read.
Where I'm considering a possible relationship between Matthews 'not recognising the angle or sides of the box', and not recognising facial expressions or body language?
Where just as when he saw the box as a rectangle, or perhaps rather than 'saw', he immediately categorised the image of what he was looking at? Rather than looking around it for information/ details?
Where the 'looking around' is what converts a visual mental image from 2D to 3D.
Though you wrote: "One of the things that I noticed, is that he saw the shape as flat-not as a solid-so he only drew a flat shape. I asked him if he saw the sides and he said ,"but it's a rectangle , Mom!"
Where the image in his mind was in 2D rather than 3D.
To convert that image into 3D involves Spatial thinking. Spatial Working Memory.
I am researching Spatial working memory, so perhaps you'd like to try some simple exercises to see if we help Matthew develop his Spatial Thinking?
Geoff
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| mck6 |
Posted on December 07 2006 11:53 PM
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ert - 24 today argh wrote:
It could very well be the fact that he is fixated on the name of the shape. Geometry is gibberish for me, but I THINK there are more words for a shape like this? Or maybe you could make up a word. A 3D rectangle. Wait, isn't it 2D? Oh well - you probably get the idea. Make up a new word, or find another word if there is another word, and then teach him that.
Great idea! I may need to do a lessonon flat shapes vs solids for him.
Thanks!
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| mck6 |
Posted on December 11 2006 06:30 PM
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eoffg wrote:
Hi Angelene ,
You raise some interesting questions in your post?
With Austistic Spectrum, 2 common features are a difficulty with Spatial thinking and also what is termed; Inference.
Where AS people are very Literal thinkers, who think in Black and White rather than Shades of Grey.
Though, I'm also considering Matthews difficulty with recognising the box 'being at an angle'. With another common difficulty associated with AS.
That of not recognising 'facial expressions' or 'body language'. Which often has to be learnt, how to read.
Where I'm considering a possible relationship between Matthews 'not recognising the angle or sides of the box', and not recognising facial expressions or body language?
Where just as when he saw the box as a rectangle, or perhaps rather than 'saw', he immediately categorised the image of what he was looking at? Rather than looking around it for information/ details?
Where the 'looking around' is what converts a visual mental image from 2D to 3D.
Though you wrote: "One of the things that I noticed, is that he saw the shape as flat-not as a solid-so he only drew a flat shape. I asked him if he saw the sides and he said ,"but it's a rectangle , Mom!"
Where the image in his mind was in 2D rather than 3D.
To convert that image into 3D involves Spatial thinking. Spatial Working Memory.
I am researching Spatial working memory, so perhaps you'd like to try some simple exercises to see if we help Matthew develop his Spatial Thinking?
Geoff
Geoff,
I was away for the weekend and just saw your post. I would love some simple excercises to help Matthew develop his spatial thinking!
He has a receptive language disorder as well. He fools a lot of people -they think is actually understanding what is being said to him, but in reality- he hears a few words that he recognizes and "fakes" that he knows what is going on. He is very well spoken and has a great vocabulary, so most people don't realize that much of what is said to him just passes right by.
He has whole movies memorized and will often just recite bits and pieces-I think he likes this because it is predictable and he knows what is being said. Although he often will use a "non-word" for a word he isn't quite sure of-and I have a heck of a time helping him to understand what the real word or phrase being used-he is determined that he heard what he heard -even if it makes no sense and is not an actual word.
So, I may questions on how to "do" the excercizes with him?
Thank you!
Angelene
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Posted on December 11 2006 08:48 PM
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Whatever exercise you do with your child ,whether it be physical or visual or whatever,I suggest that once you have explained it ,then let him explain it back and possibly let him choose the words that he prefers so you can write the description of the technique out in his preferrred vocabulary-that way it makes sense to him and whenever you come to go over the example in the futur he will be able to re-use his own description. |
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Posted on January 11 2007 02:45 PM
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am researching Spatial working memory, so perhaps you'd like to try some simple exercises to see if we help Matthew develop his Spatial Thinking?
Geoff
Hi Geoff,
I am still interested in trying some of these excersizes with Matthew.
Thank you,
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| eoffg |
Posted on January 12 2007 07:44 AM
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Hi Angelene,
A good exercise for spatial thinking, is Juggling.
Which begins with just one object, tossing it from hand to hand, back and forth.
Then it moves on to using two objects, where we use spatial thinking to locate the objects while in motion. Also to spatially predict where each hand has to be to catch the object.
For the 'objects', it's best to start with something 'soft', such as a small bag of beans. Where you can wrap a handful of beans in small piece of clothe, and tie it up with string. Maybe the size of a golf-ball.
Once juggling with 2 of these has been mastered, then one can be replaced with a Match-box, filled with beans. Where this introduces an odd-shaped object into the juggling.
So you might like to try this?
Geoff,
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| mck6 |
Posted on January 22 2007 06:26 PM
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Hi Angelene,
A good exercise for spatial thinking, is Juggling.
Which begins with just one object, tossing it from hand to hand, back and forth.
Then it moves on to using two objects, where we use spatial thinking to locate the objects while in motion. Also to spatially predict where each hand has to be to catch the object.
For the 'objects', it's best to start with something 'soft', such as a small bag of beans. Where you can wrap a handful of beans in small piece of clothe, and tie it up with string. Maybe the size of a golf-ball.
Once juggling with 2 of these has been mastered, then one can be replaced with a Match-box, filled with beans. Where this introduces an odd-shaped object into the juggling.
So you might like to try this?
Geoff,
Geoff- yes we will give it a try. I sew , so I think I will make a couple small bean bags. Matthew is not very coordinated, so this should be a lot of fun. I am very interested to see what can happen as we "stretch"
this area of his brain.
I'll keep you posted on our progress.
Intersting side note: he can memorize some math facts, but not others- I can't seem to find a common thread to the facts he "knows". I am talking basic addition- we are just venturing into multiplication. I am considering a cd of songs that have the facts in them- he can remember songs. However, it may only mean he has to sing though the whole song to find the correct answer, so may not be a great option- we will see
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| eoffg |
Posted on January 23 2007 03:46 AM
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Hi Angelene,
It's a simple but effective way of developing coordination.
When Matthew can do it, he could also practise juggling while balancing on one foot as well.
In terms of: "he can memorise some maths facts, but not others-..."
I wonder if you have read the threads on the Abacus and Japanese Soroban? Where the emphasis is on understanding maths facts, rather than memorising them. He may not have developed a Sense of Number yet. Where his difficulty with 'basic addition, could be that numbers dont yet have a sense of quantity for him.
http://dyscalculi...d=552#4734
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| mck6 |
Posted on January 23 2007 06:29 PM
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Geoff,
Thanks for the link. I did read that thread and checked out a couple of the websites. I found it overwhleming, but need to take small bites .
I do think we need to look into this further because I realized that although Matthew can spout off some math facts, when it comes time to use them, he has to look back to his number line-he cannot generalize them. Which is a common issue with autism.
Thank you for your continued interest and advice! I really apprecite it.
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| mck6 |
Posted on January 23 2007 06:44 PM
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Geoff- so I made the bean bags and we practised a bit today. LOL all the way around. All four of the kids wanted to do it- so we took turns-it was fun. We will encorporate this into "school" each day as it is good for each of them and makes it fun when done all together.
I'll keep you posted!
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| mck6 |
Posted on February 04 2007 06:51 PM
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Hi Geoff,
Just an update-
Matthew loves "juggling" He takes breaks within the school day to do it. He is catching the bean bag about 50% now. He likes the movement aspect . So this is going to take a while his large motor coordination is so off ( although he is very good with his gameboy!)
I do think it is helpful for him on more than one level and he is enjoying it.
Angelene
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| eoffg |
Posted on February 06 2007 08:09 AM
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Hi Angelene,
Great to hear that he is enjoying the juggling.
Is he varying the height that he tosses it at? From Low to high.
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| mck6 |
Posted on February 06 2007 11:55 PM
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eoffg wrote:
Hi Angelene ,
Great to hear that he is enjoying the juggling.
Is he varying the height that he tosses it at? From Low to high.
Geoff ,
Yes, he is. Is that a good thing?
He loves when it flies across the room ( yea-he's almost 10- it's a guy thing) so I have to keep him focused.
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| eoffg |
Posted on February 07 2007 10:13 AM
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Hi Angelene,
Yes, it's a good thing.
Though it sounds like it's time to introduce another bag into the juggling!
This'll get him concentrating!
Geoff,
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Posted on May 11 2007 01:56 PM
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Well I am not sure if I have Dyscalculia but my drawings were somewhat amusing . One of them was sort of pentagon shaped. I have no clue how I managed that! . |
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Posted on June 08 2008 07:55 PM
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... I read more than half of the first post before I realized that a Match-Box is a small cardboard box that stick matches are contained in. DOH!
Here in the states....at least for boys... a Match-Box is a small die-cast toy car that we collected as kids. ( and if one is an automotive geek like me you might have a bunch still  )
"I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..."
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| twistedxkiss |
Posted on October 01 2008 10:26 PM
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ert wrote:
It could very well be the fact that he is fixated on the name of the shape. Geometry is gibberish for me, but I THINK there are more words for a shape like this? Or maybe you could make up a word. A 3D rectangle. Wait, isn't it 2D? Oh well - you probably get the idea. Make up a new word, or find another word if there is another word, and then teach him that.
I believe a 3D rectangle is called a rectangular prism. An object that isn't flat would be 3D. 2D is the flat image.
My question would be whether or not he recognizes the difference between 3D and 2D. |
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| justfoundout |
Posted on October 01 2008 10:49 PM
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10/1/08
Dear Blamo,
I just now read your post. Yes, I well know the cute little metal (and rather expensive?) match-box cars. They are the kind of thing you'd give a grown man when he's sick, as a joke. - justfoundout |
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Posted on November 19 2010 06:06 PM
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11/19/10
I'm wondering if the Sign Language recognition software that is being developed (in part) at UTA might later be of benefit to those with Visual Spatial difficulties and also with NVLD (non verbal learning disorder). The software could be programed with whatever 'visual vocabulary' that one would have the patience to 'program' into the computer. - jus'
See story of this software at link below:
http://www.uta.ed...hitsos.php
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